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romney has been weak on specifics. ryan has specifics. they're going to tie whatever specifics he has to romney. >> ryan is going to be brilliant. >> bill: whatever they do, it's a matter of i think both candidates will be very, very cautious. the reason i say that ryan lost it today was because you have to assume if you're ryan or romney that the press wants to hurt you, no matter who it is. when they do something as this reporter did, that was pretty stupid, you just laugh about it. come on. you roll your eyes. you don't react in a serious way because then that will be used against you. all right. >> remember, beating up on the left wing press works to the republican candidate's advantage every time. >> bill: if i had done that, if he said listen, you pinhead, that was an unfair question. but it looked like he wanted to get away from him so it didn't look good. later, john stossel on why some companies are hurting their workers over obamacare. interesting report. plus, selling your stuff. very quietly the supreme court may stop us from
romney has been weak on specifics. ryan has specifics. they're going to tie whatever specifics he has to romney. >> ryan is going to be brilliant. >> bill: whatever they do, it's a matter of i think both candidates will be very, very cautious. the reason i say that ryan lost it today was because you have to assume if you're ryan or romney that the press wants to hurt you, no matter who it is. when they do something as this reporter did, that was pretty stupid, you just laugh about...
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in wisconsin that is where paul ryan is from, mitt romney's running mate. that is only a 2-point race in wisconsin. you have to remember, this is state where back in june there was recall election against scott walker. he won the race. he demoralized the democrats. a lot of activists were saying because president obama didn't come strong in favor of the democratic candidate, it demoralized a lot of democrats there. turnout could be very important. if the democratic turnout is not high, you might see mitt romney win that state. >> patti ann: meanwhile, florida where he is romney is enjoying a 2% advantage. we have david plouffe saying, we are going to get the senior citizens and hispanics. we are going to get florida? >> it's a crucial state for romney to win, one of two of most crucial states, florida and ohio. there is another poll out, tampa bay times poll that shows romney is up by 7. obama campaign disputes the poll that the hispanic voters are not as close as that poll shows. that is pretty significant lead in florida with rom up 7. he certainly as the
in wisconsin that is where paul ryan is from, mitt romney's running mate. that is only a 2-point race in wisconsin. you have to remember, this is state where back in june there was recall election against scott walker. he won the race. he demoralized the democrats. a lot of activists were saying because president obama didn't come strong in favor of the democratic candidate, it demoralized a lot of democrats there. turnout could be very important. if the democratic turnout is not high, you...
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what romney did factual but personable and that's the way ryan will approach it >> i will give each much you 30 seconds and i would give you more if i had it. michael, start wu. if there is one big issue we will see out of the vice presidential debate that could be an important issue pick the issue and cand date and who has the advantage. >> i think we might see foreign policy. and libya is a clear vulner for the president and administration did not protect our people and they try to spin their way out of failure. you can see some of that. romney has a speech on monday on foreign policy and i think rhine roin will follow up. >> jake? >> i think it is libya and congressional hearings coming out next week and the governor will speak on monday. there is it a lot of foreign policy and a lot of things that are coming out between now and the debate on libya and the cover yup what is going on >> alice? >> i agree economy is ryan's strength and foreign policy. it is critical he's able to point out the obama administration believed that strength is a vulnerability as opposed to a weakness. h
what romney did factual but personable and that's the way ryan will approach it >> i will give each much you 30 seconds and i would give you more if i had it. michael, start wu. if there is one big issue we will see out of the vice presidential debate that could be an important issue pick the issue and cand date and who has the advantage. >> i think we might see foreign policy. and libya is a clear vulner for the president and administration did not protect our people and they try...
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couple of weeks from the romney-ryan campaign. a week ago, we had a presidential debate, mitt romney all of a sudden said there was no $5 trillion cu tax cut. i imagine that will be a topic. paul ryan once said he didn't have time to do the math on the tax cut. openfully tonight over 90 minutes he can do the math for us. >> bret: you even concedeed on the show with the deduction and credits while they haven't listed them specifically it wouldn't $5 trillion. >> here is what i said. he put out a number of tax cuts whether it's the estate tax, lowering everyone's rate by 20%, getting rid of the amt, payroll tax, number of tax cut he put on the table. the sum of the tax cuts is $5 trillion. >> bret: he said in the debate? you capped it, set a cap you could reach it. tax policy center which you cite, campaign cites says that you could reach the number that he is talking about -- >> no, it didn't say that. if you could reach the number -- you could add up the deduction and loopholes to $5 trillion if you raise taxes on the middle class
couple of weeks from the romney-ryan campaign. a week ago, we had a presidential debate, mitt romney all of a sudden said there was no $5 trillion cu tax cut. i imagine that will be a topic. paul ryan once said he didn't have time to do the math on the tax cut. openfully tonight over 90 minutes he can do the math for us. >> bret: you even concedeed on the show with the deduction and credits while they haven't listed them specifically it wouldn't $5 trillion. >> here is what i said....
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big jump, 4 out of 5 polls, mitt romney and paul ryan lead. have you big poll numbers in florida and virginia, showing people in just a second. abc and cbs admits the ticket is gaining ground, post debate. nbc, no, not much of an impact at ms-nbc. >> florida, ohio and virginia, battleground states. what we see on the screen, a tight, tight, dead heat in florida and in virginia. in ohio, you still see the president hanging on to a lead. i guess you could say that romney has the trend line, but ohio is still a problem. >> another factor in all three of these polls, over 90% said the debate made no difference. 6, 7 and 7% respectively who said the debates mattered to their vote. that is, not as helpful to romney as he might have hoped. >> the debate has not as much of an impact. >> sean: i was thinking that if joe biden loses and 25 day, i am thinking that nbc news -- it's a perfect place for an unhinged, over-the-top, extreme leftist. he would be perfect over there. >> chuck todd, the political director of nbc news labeled the rasmussen poll, qu
big jump, 4 out of 5 polls, mitt romney and paul ryan lead. have you big poll numbers in florida and virginia, showing people in just a second. abc and cbs admits the ticket is gaining ground, post debate. nbc, no, not much of an impact at ms-nbc. >> florida, ohio and virginia, battleground states. what we see on the screen, a tight, tight, dead heat in florida and in virginia. in ohio, you still see the president hanging on to a lead. i guess you could say that romney has the trend line,...
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jon: andrea saul, from the ryan campaign. romney-ryan campaign i should say. thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. and we gave both sides equal time. thank you. >> thank you. jenna: a warning from our nation's defense secretary about a growing threat. what he says are military our military need to do before it's too late >> greater danger facing us in cyberspace goes beyond crime and it goes beyond harrassment. a cyberattack perpetrated by nation-states or violent extremist groups could be as destructive as the terrorist attack on 9/11. such a destructive cyber-terrorist attack could virtually paralyze the nation. jenna: gives you something to think about, doesn't it? that was defense secretary leon panetta talking about cyber attacks linked to countries like china, russia and iran saying u.s. banks have already been hit and we need to defend our nation's networks before critical elements of our infrastructure are targeted. national security correspondent jennifer griffin is live from the pentagon. interesting comparison to 9/11. why did mr. panetta choose
jon: andrea saul, from the ryan campaign. romney-ryan campaign i should say. thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. and we gave both sides equal time. thank you. >> thank you. jenna: a warning from our nation's defense secretary about a growing threat. what he says are military our military need to do before it's too late >> greater danger facing us in cyberspace goes beyond crime and it goes beyond harrassment. a cyberattack perpetrated by nation-states or violent extremist...
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after the vice president debate, romney-ryan ticket is riding high with polls and pundits dubbing it a draw. >> did you get a chance to watch the debate last night? yeah. yeah. i think you might agree with me that there was one person on stage last night who was thoughtful, and respectful, steady, and poised. the kind of perp you want to turn to in a crisis. that was the next vice president of the united states paul ryan. [ applause ] >> i feel great. >> over breakfast, ryan said he was pleased by the performance and had been ready for biden's attacks. >> how do you feel? >> it's what i expected. >> biden was clearly the aggressor. >> with all due respect that's a bunch of mu lar i can. >> vice president scoffed so much at ryan the rnc pumped out a web video immediately. snap polls showed a split decision. 48% of debate watchers said ryan won in cnn poll to 44% biden. >> we're saying these are from your act wares -- >> who interrupted ryan so often he accused biden overcompensating for the president's losing performance last week. >> i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for
after the vice president debate, romney-ryan ticket is riding high with polls and pundits dubbing it a draw. >> did you get a chance to watch the debate last night? yeah. yeah. i think you might agree with me that there was one person on stage last night who was thoughtful, and respectful, steady, and poised. the kind of perp you want to turn to in a crisis. that was the next vice president of the united states paul ryan. [ applause ] >> i feel great. >> over breakfast, ryan...
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the romney-ryan ticket has been spending more time in ohio than in the country. here is a little bit from governor romney at his last event. thehis president on friday the administration was to put out hasanswer to the question chas china manipulated their currency or not. they were supposed to designate that on friday. they said we will not do that. we will wait until after the election to do that. seven times so far they passed the buck on that. i'm not going to pass that off. on day one i will label china a currency manipulator and get serious about making sure that people don't cheat when it comes to trade. >> reporter: the obama administration asserted that doing such tough crackdowns on china could lead to a trade war of the fastest growing economy in the word and they said that mr. romney hasn't been entirely pure when it comes to doing business with china himself in his private life and private business experience. the romney campaign says it is all excuses and time for the u.s. government to stop putting up with china's trade practices and currency manip
the romney-ryan ticket has been spending more time in ohio than in the country. here is a little bit from governor romney at his last event. thehis president on friday the administration was to put out hasanswer to the question chas china manipulated their currency or not. they were supposed to designate that on friday. they said we will not do that. we will wait until after the election to do that. seven times so far they passed the buck on that. i'm not going to pass that off. on day one i...
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republican nominee paul ryan trying to build on team romney's momentum. that is how it started last night. this morning we end. i'm bill hemmer. welcome to friday edition of "america's newsroom." martha is out. >> i'm jamie colby out for martha they provided points and issues on zingers and economy and debate decorum. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> with regard to social security, we will not, we will not privatize it. if we listened to governor romney and congressman during the bush years, man where all those seniors would be now if there money had been in the market. their ideas are old and their ideas are bad and they eliminate the guaranty of medicare. >> here he is the problem. they got caught with their hands in the cookie jar turning medicare into a piggybank for obamacare. >> usually when there is a crisis we pull together. we pull together as a nation. as i said, even before we knew what happened to the amba
republican nominee paul ryan trying to build on team romney's momentum. that is how it started last night. this morning we end. i'm bill hemmer. welcome to friday edition of "america's newsroom." martha is out. >> i'm jamie colby out for martha they provided points and issues on zingers and economy and debate decorum. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting...
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that's why the romney-ryan ticket has the momentum and it is anyone's race. in 2008 independents loved obama. in 2010 they rejected them. they are moving away from him after that bad debate performance last week. alisyn: before we move on to the other questions in the poll i want to show that mol one or time because there is something else very interesting in it. the lots one there, which is before the debate only 19% of people were insure of who they would go for, these independents. after the debate 15% of them were unsure, why is there uncertainty growing after the debate? >> i think obama has a decent-sized lead an didn't do well eufp. i think a lot of people who said they were going to vote for obama are in the undecided campaign. i think that's where the election will be decided. mitt romney over the past couple of weeks has been softening his position in order to appeal to independentses. and that has democrats very nervous because it's working. alisyn: let's talk about favorability rating of president obama. look at this. bob, before the debate 51% fa
that's why the romney-ryan ticket has the momentum and it is anyone's race. in 2008 independents loved obama. in 2010 they rejected them. they are moving away from him after that bad debate performance last week. alisyn: before we move on to the other questions in the poll i want to show that mol one or time because there is something else very interesting in it. the lots one there, which is before the debate only 19% of people were insure of who they would go for, these independents. after the...
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>> i thought paul ryan was very strong in making the case for the path that the ryan-romney -- romney-ryan ticket would take the country in terms of stronger middle class and look, i'm not sure anyone told vice president biden that there is a split screen shot here sometimes when you're in this debate and i thought that these are very serious issues and i'll let the american people judge how vice president biden did in terms of his facial expressions and his chuckles. >> gretchen: what did you think about that, ed? you've been in politics a long time. some people are saying they haven't seen anything like this in 40 years. i mean, did you think it was disrespectful to paul ryan? >> you know, i thought it was really disrespectful to the american people. when you're talking about some very serious issues and people, their quality of life and their jobs and falling incomes, you know, i think that's serious. and joe biden seemed to at times find those topics amusing. i'm not sure that most americans watching felt that way. but the problem for them, gretchen, is not style. it's substance and th
>> i thought paul ryan was very strong in making the case for the path that the ryan-romney -- romney-ryan ticket would take the country in terms of stronger middle class and look, i'm not sure anyone told vice president biden that there is a split screen shot here sometimes when you're in this debate and i thought that these are very serious issues and i'll let the american people judge how vice president biden did in terms of his facial expressions and his chuckles. >> gretchen:...
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mitt romney from the state of michigan yesterday, paul ryan was in michigan. he was introduced by kid rock who made it very clear he supports mitt romney even though the industry that he works in, the entertainment world, does not lean to the right. here is that kid rock. >> it's a little difficult to put my instead of this position, no one that -- knowing i may alienate a few fans. you know what? i really believe strongly that it's okay to disagree on politics and the direction our country without hating one another. [ cheers and applause ] i mean, it's no secret that i'm imbedded in an industry that leans very left. >> steve: indeed. >> gretchen: he was there doing a rally for paul ryan. he felt so very instrumental, no pun intended, in playing for the troops and he says that maybe that's what musicians should do more often is entertain the troops instead of preaching politics. in the meantime, he also spoke about president obama and said that he was concerned about what kind of president he ended up being because he saw so much hope in the beginning. >> als
mitt romney from the state of michigan yesterday, paul ryan was in michigan. he was introduced by kid rock who made it very clear he supports mitt romney even though the industry that he works in, the entertainment world, does not lean to the right. here is that kid rock. >> it's a little difficult to put my instead of this position, no one that -- knowing i may alienate a few fans. you know what? i really believe strongly that it's okay to disagree on politics and the direction our...
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after supporting romney and ryan another celeb has a message for hollywood. >> quarter pounder, chicken? no? >> quarter under. look at this. look at this. quarter pounder. >> you know we all know campaign karl. he is on the pain with rit romney. mitt romney trying to convince romney to eat the burger. he is panning out burgers. lots of photographers you heard clicking. welcome back to pox and friends first. >> it is time for your 5@that5:. a colorado girl who has been missing since walking to school has been expanded to missouri. they share a home together and that then shared by police. the 10-year-old father is not a person of interest. he reportedly has a history of violence. it has been expanded in colorado surrounding her home town and where her backpack was found. >> they are giving parents a hand replacing the infamous hooks he got after a botched atta attack to rage jihad in afghanistan. the cost up to 5,000 dollars so he can clean himself in the slammer. the metal hooks were removed last week after he was extradited in the cushing. since they are considered a security risk he w
after supporting romney and ryan another celeb has a message for hollywood. >> quarter pounder, chicken? no? >> quarter under. look at this. look at this. quarter pounder. >> you know we all know campaign karl. he is on the pain with rit romney. mitt romney trying to convince romney to eat the burger. he is panning out burgers. lots of photographers you heard clicking. welcome back to pox and friends first. >> it is time for your 5@that5:. a colorado girl who has been...
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isn't ryan supposed to be the brain of the romney campaign and we're lacking specifics? i mean, wasn't that a poor explanation? >> well, yes, and let me give you his idea of a study. he said there are six studies. three of those six studies are blog posts and one of them is by a research assistant at aei, which is one of the big ideological marketing organizations that pitch you their view of the world just the way companies advertise other products. but blog posts, those are studies that prove things? that's hilarious. >> why doesn't the plan add up? why doesn't his so-called plan for america, the 20% cut, add up? where's the flaw? >> well, it does add up for the very rich. if you listen very carefully to what romney always says, he says he's going to cut rates 20% and then he's going to see to it that those at the top don't pay a larger share of the total tax burden. well, that means that they're going to get a huge decrease in their tax bill. that's the important element. that is the ryan/romney plan, it is to create dynastic wealth which i think would be devastating
isn't ryan supposed to be the brain of the romney campaign and we're lacking specifics? i mean, wasn't that a poor explanation? >> well, yes, and let me give you his idea of a study. he said there are six studies. three of those six studies are blog posts and one of them is by a research assistant at aei, which is one of the big ideological marketing organizations that pitch you their view of the world just the way companies advertise other products. but blog posts, those are studies that...
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. >> steve: is calling mitt romney and ryan a good strategy. here to weigh in is washington insider amelia and democrat pollster marjorie. good morning to both of you. >> margey. it does sound like according to the new york times, 10 minutes before the end of the debate they were on a conference call talking about he stunk up the place. we'll have to go full steam ahead on a new attack and that is going to be romney is a liar. >> any time you hear mitt romney express different position than the day before it is for voters to know. we would be talking about mitt romney's loose interpretation of the facts regardless of what the people thought of the pet's performance. his own campaign walked back what romney said about covering people with preexisting conditions in the healthcare plan. >> marjorie wasn't the president lying when he repeatedly said mitt romney would raise taxes five trillion dollars. it will not be near five trillion wasn't that a lie. >> no it is not a lie because romney will not talk about the loop holes. he refuses to walk thro
. >> steve: is calling mitt romney and ryan a good strategy. here to weigh in is washington insider amelia and democrat pollster marjorie. good morning to both of you. >> margey. it does sound like according to the new york times, 10 minutes before the end of the debate they were on a conference call talking about he stunk up the place. we'll have to go full steam ahead on a new attack and that is going to be romney is a liar. >> any time you hear mitt romney express different...
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and, romney-ryan on the move. bill: the way mike murphy explains it, republican strategist on "meet the press" sunday morning, democrats could be desperate. do you agree with that? >> they're certainly very worried. the degree of concern they had over the president's performance in denver is much deeper than we even thought. they're very, very worried about that. they're looking for joe biden to come out and deliver a lot of zingers and attack lines that barack obama didn't. this is the second chance in the presidential debate. there is not another actual presidential debate until october 16th. bill: listen how paul ryan explains how he sees vice president joe biden. >> he is fast on the cuff. he is a witty guy. he knows who he is and been doing this for 40 years. so, you're not going to rattle joe biden. joe biden has been on the national stage. he ran for president twice as sitting vice president. bill: probably a smart strategy. what he is saying there, be careful and do not underestimate the vice president, de
and, romney-ryan on the move. bill: the way mike murphy explains it, republican strategist on "meet the press" sunday morning, democrats could be desperate. do you agree with that? >> they're certainly very worried. the degree of concern they had over the president's performance in denver is much deeper than we even thought. they're very, very worried about that. they're looking for joe biden to come out and deliver a lot of zingers and attack lines that barack obama didn't....
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ryan may have been a smart pick for romney despite his policy positions, not because of they'll. which is to say, he's been pretty good on the stump, in terms of ginning up enthusiasm. the policy stuff may have been his achille's heel and the campaign stuff a bonus. >> ginning up enthusiasm among republicans, probably -- i don't see where the enthusiasm is for him among independents in the body politic overall. i mean the policy positions he's taken, you know, god love him, at least there's someone in washington who is going to put really hard, specific policy prescriptions on the table, the problem, though, is that they're incredibly unpopular. we've gone from the road map for america's future foote of prosperity to the house budget that the budget that the house passed that they're now all running away from because they now know that the american people don't like the policy prescriptions are there. ryan is young, in great shape, very smart. but when people talk about the specifics and what his vision is, they're not going to like it and that's why tonight is fascinating becaus
ryan may have been a smart pick for romney despite his policy positions, not because of they'll. which is to say, he's been pretty good on the stump, in terms of ginning up enthusiasm. the policy stuff may have been his achille's heel and the campaign stuff a bonus. >> ginning up enthusiasm among republicans, probably -- i don't see where the enthusiasm is for him among independents in the body politic overall. i mean the policy positions he's taken, you know, god love him, at least...
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mitt romney, though, very confident ryan will do a fine job when offering a their visio to the country. romney says ry has the edge because e facts and truthre s: wh bnde. rendien yabeedbe a missing reporter. florida newspaper reporter sean dugas has been missing since august 27. acting on a tip from pensacola cops, officers searcd a frs asyert e s in a plastic container in fresh concrete. the brothers, christopher and william, are now under arrest. >> gretchen: their sons didt getovaow a cle ge re wmito eydmissions consultant over $2 million to get their sonsnto an ivy league school. i guess they didn't have the grades. preferly harvard by making donations their behalf. but the coupleays no dio rer . threng m f au eisidp going to ivy league schools. just not harvard. maybe they did have the grades. that's a lot of dough to get into a school. >> steve: last month on "fox & iends," you saw brian make his jet ck drea come t remember? you don't see him like that every day. now, brian, that jet pack can be theaeyli je nmanar ck issent isn't cheap. the jet pack complete with the safety and
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and ryan made it so. does that seem to you that she is saying that the lives of these four brave americans is not important? >> i hear that, and i also hear that, well, it wouldn't be an issue if we hadn't gotten caught. >> what more do you on your commit that's investigating this whole affair, what more do you want to know? >> my number one concern is are there any other embassies or u.s. diplomatic officials out there that are in a dangerous position that we are not providing all necessary protection for? it's a tragedy that we have lost these lives, but it would be even worse if this list of four grew to a list of 8 or more. >> the congressman on the committee that's investigating this. thank you for taking the time. i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> sobering responses and information. well, mortgage rates also not sobering. in fact, they are at record lows. should you take advantage of it? is it really the best time to refinance? how do you get the most bank for your buck? we will tell you that stra
and ryan made it so. does that seem to you that she is saying that the lives of these four brave americans is not important? >> i hear that, and i also hear that, well, it wouldn't be an issue if we hadn't gotten caught. >> what more do you on your commit that's investigating this whole affair, what more do you want to know? >> my number one concern is are there any other embassies or u.s. diplomatic officials out there that are in a dangerous position that we are not...
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it is a clear contrast from the ann romney/ryan budget. -- from the ann romney/ryan budget. and all of these issues, it is a pretty clear choice. host: donna says from twitter, the democrats think biden won, the republicans think brian won, what a surprise. from "the washington post" -- at times, mr. joe biden struck us as condescending. >> that is the "washington post " leading editorial. the next call comes from ed in cleveland, ohio. caller: this is ted. i am a supporter of mitt romney. what i would like to say is what i watched last night several times joe biden had to interrupt him left and right, and that seems condescending. when joe biden said "finding what i say," i would like to heard paul ryan say does that mean you meant when you stood in front of people "i want to put you all in chains." that is it. thank you for c-span. host: another call from all file this morning. deborah. -- call from ohio this morning. deborah. caller: i am definitely an obama supporter. it comes down to planned parenthood. when i was 20 i found myself single and pregnant, and i went to pla
it is a clear contrast from the ann romney/ryan budget. -- from the ann romney/ryan budget. and all of these issues, it is a pretty clear choice. host: donna says from twitter, the democrats think biden won, the republicans think brian won, what a surprise. from "the washington post" -- at times, mr. joe biden struck us as condescending. >> that is the "washington post " leading editorial. the next call comes from ed in cleveland, ohio. caller: this is ted. i am a...
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have to do more explaining and in the first hour he did a better job hitting at romney than ryan did hitting at obama. i think ryan, though, was, came across as ernest, knowledgeable and polite, whereas especially in that first hour, joe biden was clearly playing by cable debate rules, which is interrupt and talk over your opponent at will. i think al is right that is going to enthuse democrats. i am not sure how it is going to play with undecided voters. me personally and i am not an undecided veert it came across as off putting, obnoxious and rude and i can guarantee that on the shows tomorrow morning and in the cable discussion going forward, tomorrow and into the weekend the biden smiles and the biden smirks and the biden interruptions will be a juicy topic for discussion. >> rose: mark hall snrin. >> halperin? >> well, i am mostly going to paraphrase what rich lowry just said, there are two things that clearly come out of this, one is the detrimentally base is going to be pleased that they thought, saw the somebody fighting on their behalf and being aggressive on a lot of big is
have to do more explaining and in the first hour he did a better job hitting at romney than ryan did hitting at obama. i think ryan, though, was, came across as ernest, knowledgeable and polite, whereas especially in that first hour, joe biden was clearly playing by cable debate rules, which is interrupt and talk over your opponent at will. i think al is right that is going to enthuse democrats. i am not sure how it is going to play with undecided voters. me personally and i am not an undecided...